11) Confront Trash Talk with Rhetorical JujutsuThis impeachment process, especially the part where +40% of Americans are simply harding up their passionate support for Trump who clearly believes he's above all laws and ethics, by getting ever passion, if disconnected, from the real world facts by the day.
Contrarians depend on personal attacks to distract the discussion from their bankrupt “science”. Learn to recognize the game, turn it to your favor, be prepared to point out the juvenility of the tactic, while forcing the discussion back to the real world facts your contrarian opponent wants to avoid.
Has honesty, dignity, respect for evidence and laws and professional standards of ethics and enlighten-self-interest all been trashed by people who've convinced themselves they have God in their back pockets?
Worst and genuinely painful is witnessing the continued ineptness of Democratic communication efforts with their own grassroots supporters, let alone their inability to directly confront Republican deception and bullying.
Democrats haven't explained anything in a way that offers regular voters some rhetorical ammunition when confronted with the Republican's onslaught of ruthless deception and scorched earth attitudes towards others.
It feels like an all-hands-on-deck situation, but Democrats don't seem to get it. What I write is uncomfortable, so it's ignored. I'm told to make it feel nicer. I say, Democrats need to do better than peddling old bromides.
Since one of my bitches is that Democrats keep talking past Republican bullies when we need to be stopping them in their lying tracks, long enough to educate onlookers, by shoving GOP lies right back down their disingenuous throats with clarifications and explanations. Succinctly enunciate and clarify arguments in a way that resonates with people.
Here I share an example of what I mean when I suggest talking AT them, rather than past them, as our Democratic politicians do all too well. This has to do with a semi-local issue, but that's beside the point. I'm simply sharing some food for thought.
Oh and if any of this is resonating with some editor or agent or writing coach or political staffer type out there, someone who appreciates the potential of what I'm trying to do here. Please, I need some help. Might you have any to offer?
Dennis points to ANILCA and cries foul on behalf of Mr. McCombs,“There is a law that says the USFS has to grant access to inholdings.”Is that a fact? There’s another side to this story that's worth listening to, particularly if you want to understand the unrelenting opposition to the notion of bulldozing a Village at Wolf Creek into Alberta Park. ...
Durango Herald's, Jonathan Romeo wrote a story March 7th 2019 about the latest court twist in the Village at Wolf Creek saga: "A Freedom of Information Act was filed nearly eight months ago by a coalition of environmental groups to obtain select U.S. Forest Service documents related to the controversial Village at Wolf Creek development atop Wolf Creek Pass. Two-hundred-and-thirty days later, and well past the Forest Service’s 20-day deadline, not a single file has been released.
"But that should change Thursday after a U.S. magistrate judge ordered the Forest Service to start releasing documents asked for in the FOIA request. The order came in response to a lawsuit filed by opponents of the proposed housing and commercial development." ... "
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After posting quotes from yesterday's Durango Herald article, I was reading the comments.
Dennis points to ANILCA and cries foul on behalf of Mr. McCombs,
“There is a law that says the USFS has to grant access to inholdings.”Is that a fact? There’s another side to this story that's worth listening to, particularly if you want to understand the unrelenting opposition to the notion of bulldozing a Village at Wolf Creek into Alberta Park.
Among many other things, in 1980 ANILCA was created for property owners who suddenly found themselves in a landlocked ‘inholding’ because of a newly created National Park or other federal designated areas. Alberta Park was legally designated integral to Rio Grande National Forest since its creation in 1908.
In the 1980s Mr. Red McCombs (with pals LMJV) purchased 3 middle of nowhere San Luis Valley foothill land parcels which the Forest Service had been eyeing in order to pretty up map boundaries (seriously). He then engaged in those go-go '80s National Forest Landswap Poker Games and intended to parley those no-where foothills parcels for the bonanza at the heart of the Wolf Creek drainage basin, near Wolf Creek Ski Area.
It didn’t matter to him that Alberta Park was an integral part of the Wolf Creek watershed and protected for the General Good of the American People since 1908.
All McCombs could see was profits, totally oblivious to what an amazing biological keystone parcel this piece of unadulterated wetlands and ancient fens wilderness was for the greater Wolf Creek watershed and the Rio Grande River for that matter.
It never entered his billionaire mind that there was good reason that the powers that be decided to protect that land back in 1908.
Ecological balance, environmental concerns. nurturing our wildlands all those considerations Red’s developers and boosters laughed off as, hippy devil talk.
Physical facts that these landscapes are literally part of our life support systems doesn’t concern him or them, what does Earth’s long term health matter?
Back to Red’s real estate poker game, he lost in Colorado. State and regional Forest Service officials concluded his offer was a bad bet for the health of the Rio Grande National Forest and river and they roundly rejected LMJV’s land swap offer.
But, Red held a trump card, billionaires own politicians, so back in the ‘real world’ of Washington D.C., deep in the bowels of the USDA, papers were fixed and presto Red had his land swap.
And now his enablers are crying about the poor guy having to put up with yet more of this never ending opposition from American citizens.
Cry me a river Dennis. Red’s a billionaire and We Are The People, deal with it. We will continue to oppose LMJV’s insane speculation, we are not in the ‘80s any more, not that rich guys pay any attention to how our planet has been shifting under our noses.
For the record, Red McCombs has been dishonest from the get go, such a telling everyone he wanted a few luxury cabins. After the deal was in - his plans blossomed to 10,000 people worth of luxury homes. Well, Red got caught and he got stopped. Here’s one for the American way.
Dennis, just cause other billionaires got away with it, is no reason for us to let Red get away with his atrocity dream of destroying Alberta Park’s ancient watershed and fens. Which building hundreds of homes and business on top of them certainly will do, no matter how many berms you bulldoze into place for show.
We warned Red McCombs decades ago, his intentions were destructive, immoral and were bound to arouse deep moral indignation, antipathy and opposition among Colorado citizens and tax payers. But will this Texan lowlander ever learn?
Unfortunately it seems this has gone from a desired speculative business deal, to an angry old richer than god guy, who’d rather get even, than learn some lessons and admit maybe he was wrong and enough is enough.
Leave Alberta Park alone!
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d) Considering Our Dysfunctional Public Dialogue in 14 Verses.
1) Uncertainties vs. known Physical Certainties
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2) Map vs. Territory Problem
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3) Sloppy usage of “Natural Variability”
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4) “Seepage”
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5) “Global Warming” vs “Climate Change”
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6) Responsibilities of Scientists vs
Responsibilities of Citizens and Students
Scientists are dedicated to their work, given their education and accumulated knowledge, their time is very precious and we need them focusing on their respective tasks.
They are not the ones to fight for the recognition that their work is rational, objective, factually, and morally authoritative. They’ve done the difficult task of accumulating, digesting, reporting, and filing the substantive evidence.
Who’s to defend them and the knowledge they share with society?
A HEALTHY DEMOCRACY DEMANDS AN INFORMED AND ENGAGED CITIZENRY.
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7) Define the Debate, A to Z
A Constructive Argument based on real facts,
with the ultimate goal being a collective better understanding of the issue at hand.
Such as a Scientific Debate where honestly representing your opponent’s position is required. Striving to understand your opponent’s position well enough to reject or modify it with the merits of your own facts and reasoning.
Z Lawyerly Debate, winning is all that matters, facts are irrelevant obstacles to hurdle. Being skilled in rhetorical trickery is a prerequisite. Objective learning is not the object.
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8) Intellectual Confrontation
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9) Call out False Claims & Lies
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10) Better than Skepticism ===> Critical Thinking Skills
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11) Confront Trash Talk with Rhetorical Jujutsu
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12) Faith-based Thinking - God or EGO?
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13) The pain of our brave new world
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14) WE THE PEOPLE,
have the right to demand honesty when hearing what real experts are trying to convey, without being flooded with the constant deceptive and fraudulent cross-screaming of the propaganda machine of unhinged self-obsessed oligarchs and their astro-turfing thugs.
MAY 21, 2015
Questioning ANILCA and Village at Wolf Creek
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AUGUST 26, 2012
VWC-DEIS 1.10 ANILCA 1980 - road access rights
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MARCH 8, 2012
The Red McCombs’ Alberta Park Real Estate Poker Game
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NOVEMBER 3, 2017
What's the Village at Wolf Creek Good For?
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Showdown at Wolf Creek Pass
By Bob Berwyn - January 9, 2015 - Colorado Independent
Good historical background here.
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MAY 21, 2017
Village At Wolf Creek developments - collection of news stories, May 2017
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MAY 6, 2012
FOIA RESULTS = USDA Forest Service: Decision Notice and Finding of No Significant Impact {3/6/86}
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MAY 6, 2012
AMENDED Decision Notice and Finding of No Significant Impact {9/29/86}
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Alaska National Interests Lands Conservation Act: Creation of Wrangell-St. Elias
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JUNE 3, 2018
Mr. McCombs and Ms Shields, please reconsider your intentions, VillageWolfCreek speculation. (an open letter)
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JANUARY 3, 2015
FENS Resource Category 1 USFWS "Mitigation Policy"
In support of my previous claims I submit
Regional Policy on the Protection of Fens, resource category 1, as amended, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Region 6
January 20, 1999
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MAY 24, 2015
Appreciating Wolf Creek's ‘old-growth’ fens. Part one
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MAY 24, 2015
Appreciating Fens Part 2. USFWS Category 1 Resource (highest protection rating)
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AUGUST 26, 2012
VWC-DEIS 3.7.6 Fens
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OCTOBER 17, 2016
Canada lynx factor in lawsuits over Village at Wolf Creek
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MAY 24, 2015
Problems with the VWC Access Project EIS - Ignoring the Lynx Issue - San Juan Citizens Alliance
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Forest Service ignores objections to land exchange at Wolf Creek Pass
http://sanjuancitizens.org/forest-service-ignores-objections-to-land-exchange-at-wolf-creek-pass/
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Stop the destruction of Wolf Creek Pass, an irreplaceable Colorado treasure
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